Scca eliminated classes

[Larry H]

In 2019 I would choose "super kent" with my eyes closed.
From 2022 onwards, I would choose "super honda" - it's a no brainer - you have equal or more power than the "super kent" - and also the reliability!

The issue isn't "super kent" vs "super honda" - they are pretty close.
The issue is average kent vs. average honda

Why can't the Honda just be derated with smaller restrictor plate? Honda drivers should realize that maintaining parity is important to the vitality of the class.

[Amon]

Just an FYI.....

24 FV's signed up for the DriverZ race (radials) this upcoming weekend Road Atlanta!

Just saying!

Mark. FV #3

[cory mcleod]

^^^ Noticed that forever, always accompanied by “Hmmm, Yeah…”

Curious what the F6 guys think here… though coming from no personal experience, it seems it’d be creepy to be in a F6 surrounded by Fs — if not also very tenuous for having presumably less line-of-sight.

Multi-class racing is never perfect. We all get in each other's way sometimes. I used to "frustrate" Steve Davis in the corners when learning to drive. Now we're friends. Got grouped with all F/SR cars once at a TMS national. Biggest problem for me was slow DSRs parking in the turns but then gapping me on the straights. We all wish we could run FRP!

That being said, I have no problems running with FV, FF and FC. I've seen drivers do unsafe and unnecessary things a few times over the years, but I see no reason why we can't run safe together. Never had any problems with FCs.

[bob darcey]

Maybe we should outlaw enclosed trailers.

[Hardingfv32]

I do not see the benefit for the Regions with this class reduction. MO HST 28 entrants for this group, Glenn 20, Sprints 40, that is a lot of lost revenue. I would say that it would be hard to prove that the HST events add anything to potential Regional revenue.

Seems like the finances would dictate what the Regions do. I do not see how SCCA administrators thinks this is going to fly.

Brian

[isagoodday]

To share a 'newbie' outsider observation.... I see lots of talk about spec tires/cost and that helping to bring in more people.

We are coming out of SRF and I was happy that the FF F1600 tires were actually a little cheaper than the SRF. Not much, but hey...it all helps. It was standard in SRF to run a new set every race weekend. (at the pointy end) After getting some test days in on the FF tires, they seem very similar in their 'fall off'. If one were trying to save money and not running at front of the pack, you could get by with running a set for 2 race weekends. But if you (first have the ability) and want to run up front, you are probably practicing on your previous race tires and qualifying and racing on a new set every weekend. Same as SRF tire.

So you have a class like SRF which is thriving, and I would say costs of running SRF are about the same (if one wants to be competitive). Cost of the GOOD SRF are more than a FF. Market being 60-65 for a newer build genIII.

So there is something else other than cost to consider. It is only because of Bob with FRP that we came over to F1600. We are not a 'racing' family and know very little about the world you all have lived in for many years. If not for a few people who have helped us navigate this path, we would never be here.

Getting your kid into racing is not like signing them up for soccer. I would say that the SCCA does not do a very good job at bringing in new younger competitors. We had spent a few years on track driving HPDE for fun and still never knew about the awesome world out there of racing and truly great people who are involved with it.

Just an outsiders point of view, but I am sure there must be other people like us out there who would probably be racing if they only new how to go about it. It certainly is not inexpensive. But the costs dont seem that much different than other thriving classes.

Not sure what the answer is, but super thankful to Bob and the others who have all played a huge part in helping us come join in this great sport. I too try to educate others now how they can join in on racing...etc.

Was so great to go to and FRP race and see so many younger kids that make up the F1600 field. As this unfolds, I would like to see if there are places to run FF in SCCA.

[E1pix]

^^^ Wonderful ^^^

[Brian Graham]

Joe,

It basically says FF, FC, FV won't be allowed to enter approximately 5 Super Tour events. They will most likely be allowed at the Sprints (because Chicago Region), and most West coast Super Tours.

They can enter all the other Majors, Regionals, etc.

What makes this event different from other Super Tour races? I know it is popular but we chose last year the July Majors instead due to timing and the fact it was only 3 days invested for on track running. I would argue that Sebring would be more in line with a deserved spot, there are plenty of snowbirds who have been doing "the double" for years who now are literally out in the cold...

Brian.

[Peter Olivola]

What makes this event different from other Super Tour races? I know it is popular but we chose last year the July Majors instead due to timing and the fact it was only 3 days invested for on track running. I would argue that Sebring would be more in line with a deserved spot, there are plenty of snowbirds who have been doing "the double" for years who now are literally out in the cold...

Brian.

Before there was a Runoffs, before there were any other well established events, the founding and sustaining support provided by the Chicago Region of the June Sprints has built it into the most recognized locally organized club racing event on the U.S. Now, you might say I'd be prejudiced having been RE of Chicago Region and one time Chief Steward of the June Sprints and you'd be right, but I've worked events all over the country and been in close contact with region boards over my 55+ years of membership and there is no region doing the job Chicago does in organizing and operating this event. I think anyone and everyone who's been involved with the June Sprints, be they drivers, entrants, crew, family, workers, whatever, would agree.

Then there's the not insignificant element of the region requesting to return to a single race format which provides enough time in a three day weekend to accommodate additional run groups. Given arguments already put forth on how and why we currently have double weekends, it seems Chicago Region is willing to gamble on being able to go back to a single race format and still deliver a satisfying experience for all involved.

I haven't been involved in the operation of Chicago Region in over a decade, in 2025 it will be 15 years, but from what I've seen, the effort the region puts in to organizing the June Sprints should be a model for every other event in the country and, I've not seen that level of effort anywhere else.

It was notable when the region agreed to adopt the double race format. Having tried the format and made it successful, the June Sprints has earned the right to do whatever Chicago Region wants to do with it.