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    After many hours my 32/36 has a venturi that's rattling about. Are there any recognized fixes for this tat really work? I'm going to buy a new one anyway but I'd love to be able to use this one as a spare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Kirchner View Post
    After many hours my 32/36 has a venturi that's rattling about. Are there any recognized fixes for this tat really work? I'm going to buy a new one anyway but I'd love to be able to use this one as a spare.
    I can't help with this too much, but check out this guy on ebay https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ssn....m3561.l161211

    I've bought lots from him and it's always been great and at good prices. He's in Bologna too.

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    A couple of Center punches on the non sealing side of the body has worked for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawke View Post
    A couple of Center punches on the non sealing side of the body has worked for me.
    I did that several times over the years with a Weber 32/36.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawke View Post
    A couple of Center punches on the non sealing side of the body has worked for me.
    I've done the same thing, but use a small flat face punch. Moves more material and less noticeable
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    doesn't the carb still suck air around the venturi instead of through it?

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    Rick:

    I would think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Kirchner View Post
    doesn't the carb still suck air around the venturi instead of through it?
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    A couple of walks with a flat punch and hammer of your choice to the side of the carb works pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Kirchner View Post
    doesn't the carb still suck air around the venturi instead of through it?
    Most of the air flows around the venturi in any case. All you're trying to do is seal the contact surface where the fuel gets sucked in so it doesn't pull air instead of fuel.
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    Some have used vert thin shim stock

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrh3 View Post
    Some have used very thin shim stock
    That'll work unless it gets loose and sucked into the engine.
    Last edited by DaveW; 09.17.24 at 8:47 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Kirchner View Post
    After many hours my 32/36 has a venturi that's rattling about. Are there any recognized fixes for this tat really work? I'm going to buy a new one anyway but I'd love to be able to use this one as a spare.

    I always shim them I dont like using a punch on the carb body.

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    Id think that a shim coupled with some thin high-temp sealant would be the way to go. Hadn't thought about shimming.

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    Don't use sealant on the inlet end - it might block the fuel passage.
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    Rick:

    Another thought.

    My new rear hubs are slip fit into the rear new upright bearings. That is to say, the hub flange effortlessly slips into the bearing race. As explained to me, the anodizing of the hubs were decorative in nature as opposed to MIL-SPEC. The difference in the two processes is a couple thou in diameter. Thus, the MIL-SPEC anodized is press in.

    I contacted Loctite, and spoke with their racing tech, to understand there is a bearing adhesive to 0.020” to secure bearing ID/OD areas.

    I have the two item part numbers (one, the sealant, one, the cleaner). Biggest issue: 400 Fahrenheit to break the bond. This will most definitely eliminate the air bypass issue, and a THIN coat might release easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Kirchner View Post
    Id think that a shim coupled with some thin high-temp sealant would be the way to go. Hadn't thought about shimming.
    I've always used a little bit of an aluminium coke can as a shim, works perfectly.

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    Rick, the best solution I have found is to take the Venturi out and gently squeeze it in a vice (use soft jaws or a rag) perpendicular to the tube axis to deform and create a tight fit to the body at the port. Does a better job of sealing to the port and lasts longer than the peening of body. I’ll be at Buttonwillow this weekend if you want to talk about it. Todd

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    Thanks Todd! Unfortunately I won't be there. Hope you guys have a good event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Iverson View Post

    My new rear hubs are slip fit into the rear new upright bearings. That is to say, the hub flange effortlessly slips into the bearing race. As explained to me, the anodizing of the hubs were decorative in nature as opposed to MIL-SPEC. The difference in the two processes is a couple thou in diameter. Thus, the MIL-SPEC anodized is press in.
    Small digression:

    When I was making RF90-95 hubs I always had them hard anodized, not decorative. They were machined to compensate for the hard anodize thickness and were a shrink fit. If yours are a slip fit and not hard anodized I suspect you will have nothing but problems and they likely won't last long. Those 6 long capscrews will not be enough to hold them together. Your hubs are likely defective.
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    if an air horn fits down the throat well enough it might just hold the auxiliary venturi from the top such that it's tight in place ??

    if that's true, the tired carb is simply begging you to get it some air horns

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    Quote Originally Posted by EYERACE View Post
    if an air horn fits down the throat well enough it might just hold the auxiliary venturi from the top such that it's tight in place ??

    if that's true, the tired carb is simply begging you to get it some air horns
    Even if it holds it in place that doesn't assure the fuel-supply face is sealed to the carb body, and that's important.
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    Mike:

    These are new, never assembled hubs fresh from Primus. I will bring up your concerns and observations with Brad, and see if a recall may be in order. Thanks Bud, for pointing this out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B View Post
    Small digression:

    When I was making RF90-95 hubs I always had them hard anodized, not decorative. They were machined to compensate for the hard anodize thickness and were a shrink fit. If yours are a slip fit and not hard anodized I suspect you will have nothing but problems and they likely won't last long. Those 6 long capscrews will not be enough to hold them together. Your hubs are likely defective.
    V/r

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    Mike:

    Good stuff here, Bud.

    There is nothing I can do but use Loctite 609, a specifically designed compound for precisely this application. Thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B View Post
    Small digression:

    When I was making RF90-95 hubs I always had them hard anodized, not decorative. They were machined to compensate for the hard anodize thickness and were a shrink fit. If yours are a slip fit and not hard anodized I suspect you will have nothing but problems and they likely won't last long. Those 6 long capscrews will not be enough to hold them together. Your hubs are likely defective.
    V/r

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    Took the carb apart today and I ended up using .003 brass shim stock behind the solid side, and peening. It was really loose - the amount of fretting in the slots was impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Iverson View Post
    Mike:

    Good stuff here, Bud.

    There is nothing I can do but use Loctite 609, a specifically designed compound for precisely this application. Thoughts?
    Get them hard anodized.
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    Mike:

    That was the advice of Paul.

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    Get them hard anodized.
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