Pinto 2.0L Twin Weber IDF Manifold

[Buc01]

I know this may be a long shot, but I am searching for a Pinto 2.0L Twin Weber IDF manifold. I know they are available new from Burton Power in the UK, but thought I would ask on the forum to see if anyone may have one they would like to sell.

Thank You,

Aaron

[gord leach]

I have one for a Kent X-flow

If anyone needs

[rickb99]

Ken Dye and his son (Tracy I think) used to run twin webers on a Pinto in FL (Formula Libre... not Florida). But, once ICSCC recognized FC, they took them off and went back to pure FC configuration. The car was also running a "cam" with the dual carbs.

When they were in this configuration "we" were running a pure FC (second one in the club and trying to get class recognized). The twin webers were quite a bit quicker.

I have NO CLUE if they are willing to sell just the manifold or might let the entire setup go but you might give them a call.

D&D Fabrications
Ken Dye and Tracy Dye
Puyallup, WA
(253) 435-1616

[Buc01]

Rick,

Thank you for the information. I will give them a call.

Aaron

[Rick Kirchner]

anybody have a pic of a van diemen install? I'd think the roll structure would get in the way. Esslinger has a pretty slick manifold for quad sidedraft mikunis.......

[Stan Clayton]

anybody have a pic of a van diemen install? I'd think the roll structure would get in the way. Esslinger has a pretty slick manifold for quad sidedraft mikunis.......

Rick, you have a link to that? I can't find it on their website. Thx! Stan

[Rick Kirchner]

http://www.esslingeracing.com/catalog/page16.pdf

[Stan Clayton]

Thanks Rick!

[Pop Chevy]

The Mikunis would be my 1st choice. Cheap, easy to get parts for. VERY tunable. Anybody that ever ran a snowmobile should know how to tune em.

[Stan Clayton]

Agreed, Pop. I remember when Esslinger came out with that combo in the early 90's (or at least that's when it appeared in Circle Track), and the local roundy-round tracks all immediately outlawed them.

I wonder if the Keihin FC41's would work as well?

[Rick Iverson]

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[Buc01]

I apprecaite all the feedback.

The information I have to date about what I am trying to do with my Pinto is that the bike carb setup is too small.

My VD FC is a '91 which is much different in the engine comartment that later models. I have done some rough measuremens and I believe the downdraft will work better than the side draft in my application.

Thank you,

Aaron

[Stan Clayton]

The information I have to date about what I am trying to do with my Pinto is that the bike carb setup is too small.

Aaron, are you making an FS car out of your VD? Several years ago we were up at Seattle and met a guy that who had put a Zetec engine in his VD, and then set it up with twin downdraft Webers. That thing would run with all but the fastest FA cars, and sounded great, to boot!

I think a Pinto with twin Webers would be just as cool...

[Buc01]

Stan,

The answer to your question is "sort of". I do not race with the SCCA, but with COMMA an organization here in Oklahoma specifically at Hallett. It is a very laid back "run what ya brung" organization that emphasizes fun, lots of track time, and with sprited yet sane competition (for the most part, "red mist" gets some racers at times). They have two formula car classes. FF=no wings, FA=wings. So I run with Formula Mazdas, Pro Formula Mazdas, F1000, true FA, etc.....

I ran last season with the "stock" FC engine and was able to win a few races because of other competitors dnf or mistakes. I am just trying to level the playing field somewhat on the straights by making some more HP. I am shooting for the 185 range so I don't totaly destory the LD-200 at each race.

Because of the way the engine bay is laid out on the '91 VD my rough measurements look like the down draft idf combination will work best. I already have the dual weber 44 idfs and now need the intake manifold. It can be had in the UK for serious $$$ and I will go that route if needed. Just thought a quick question here on the ApexSpeed forum migh turn up some results.

Regards,

Aaron

[Buc01]

Stan,

Yes, I agree, it should be very cool and quite quick.

Especially with the 5.7 lb flywheel I have to go with all the extra hp. The '91 VD FC is not anywhere near the latest in race car technology, but with the mods I am making, it should make the car a helluva lot faster and allow me to "really bother" some truly quick cars like the PFM's.

Aaron

[Stan Clayton]

Very cool! A guy out here in San Fran Region has built a newer VD/injected Zetec into a similar concept, except that the Zetec is now pumped up to about 250 hp, and the LD200 is gone in favor of a 5-sp sequential Hewland JFR (rated for about twice the hp/tq).

I can't wait to see it on track!

[gord leach]

I'm currently running a 2.0L pinto with a nasty cam (cleans out at 4000rpm) and a pair of 45mm DCOE Webers, nice power approx. 185-195 hp

Lola 540 chassis with mods to Lola 460 atlantic-ish aero FA wheels/tires

Fun car, also have a 91 VD and I believe the IDF carbs should clear the diagnal down tube, good luck

[Stan Clayton]

I'm currently running a 2.0L pinto with a nasty cam (cleans out at 4000rpm) and a pair of 45mm DCOE Webers, nice power approx. 185-195 hp

Lola 540 chassis with mods to Lola 460 atlantic-ish aero FA wheels/tires

This info demands photos, Gord!

[Buc01]

Rick,

Thank you for the information on Ken and Tracy Dye. I called and was able to speak with Tracy. He was a very nice person and took the time to visit with me. He indicated that they ran dual side draft 45 DCOE webers instead of the down draft 44 idf webers.

He indicated that he still had the entire setup and may be willing to sell it. Indicated he would get back to me on a price.

If the price is right, I would be intersted in the dual 45 DCOE solution as well. I think it may just require a bit more bodywork modification versus the down drafts.

Gord,

Tracy said the same thing about his Pinto when it ran the dual side drafts. Made good power, but was all at the top end.

Since I am new to the Pinto, I have been in converstation with the people at Burton Power in the UK and they recommended the Kent Cams kit KHCT1E coupled with either the dual 45 DCOE or dual 44 IDF.

I am shooting for 12:1 compression using a very nice looking set of Wossner pistons and PEC rods. So should be good all day at 8,000 rpm.

Ought to be a "bullet" down the straights which unfortunately at Hallett are short. It is a 1.8 mile 10 turn course. So, the extra hp won't make as big an impact as say Mosport or Road America, but it should make it much more fun!

Regards,

AS

[gord leach]

Lola 540 custom nose and Brabham wing

I have fabricated a manifold using alloy 90 degree elbows, water jet cut flanges and a TIG welder to build the plenum for a 86mm throttle body, the goal is stand alone SDS injection system and a Garret GT 28 turbo.

Plan to sort the car on Weber's then jump into F.I and Turbo

I have spare flanges, and the elbows are from "vibrant performance "

[Pop Chevy]

You would have to explain to me how a 44 weber will flow more than a 44 mikuni . Hmmm.

[gord leach]

Fuel Injection manifold I fabricated

bolts on in place of the DCOE Carbs

[Rick Iverson]

I visited with Doug Learned at Fast Forward, and he suggested I get one of his super prepped aluminum heads, 45mm DCOEs, and hot cam. It was his surmise that it would be quite stout, fairly reliable, and plenty fast. Just say'in.

[Stan Clayton]

Lola 540 custom nose and Brabham wing.

Sweet ride, Gord...thanks!

[Stan Clayton]

I visited with Doug Learned at Fast Forward, and he suggested I get one of his super prepped aluminum heads, 45mm DCOEs, and hot cam. It was his surmise that it would be quite stout, fairly reliable, and plenty fast. Just say'in.

IIRC, Doug told me that his alum head with SBC valves and a .500+ lift roller cam with 45's will make a bit over 230 hp and 175 tq.

E-ticket, baby...

Too bad the Pinto motor won't fit into my Zink. Anybody wanna trade a FF roller for a FC roller?

[Buc01]

Gord,

That is one very nice looking ride! Those 45's hanging off the side look massive!
I will be it is some serious hangin' on when the engine clears up at 4,000 rpm!

Aaron

[Earley Motorsports]

My brother Trev runs an 86 Reynard FF2000 in New Zealand with twin side suckers. 45s I think and it runs really well. Has a cam and other work as well and apparently puts out about 230hp. It was one of the very few Reynards that came with twin side drafts from the factory.
Cheers, Graham.

[LAJ]

Really all you need for a 185 engine is a stage 2 cam (little more lift and druation than stock)and a little biger 2bl. carb say a 40s dgv weber the S2000, guys posted something about it.For a few hundred $$ you could get 175hp to 185 hp out of your prepped ff2000 engine.
Lee

[Buc01]

Three years ago I pulled my FC engine and sent it to Sandy and his team at Quicksilver. One week after sending it, a tornado damaged my house to the point it had to be torn down. Luckily the 1991 VD FC survived intact!

I really did not have a place to work on the car while my new house was built so I called Sandy and had him hold off on the engine rebuild for a while. Now the engine is back in all of her twin 44 weber IDF glory and 193 HP later! Sandy and his team are great to work with and I thank them for all they did!

Targeting getting back on track in the fall as I took the time to do a frame up rebuild.

Can't wait to light that Quicksilver rocket!

AS

[old 59]

Not much left of that flywheel! Nice...

Enjoy, hope it's a blast!

[craig bradtke]

I know this may be a long shot, but I am searching for a Pinto 2.0L Twin Weber IDF manifold. I know they are available new from Burton Power in the UK, but thought I would ask on the forum to see if anyone may have one they would like to sell.

Thank You,

Aaron

i have a couple of the escort manifolds
had no luck running them on my van dieman 2ltr as the angle of the manifold is no good for the float levels made a level manifold car now was wa state cams champion 2015
will sell but poor performance is a possible result

[Buc01]

Yes, it is 5lbs. Quite a bit lighter!

AS

[Buc01]

Craig:

What year was your VD? I had not thought of the angle. Just kinda used to it. The stock FC manifold has an angle but then it is a different carb type as well. Hopefully I will not experience the same issue. Time will tell.

AS

[craig bradtke]

Craig:

What year was your VD? I had not thought of the angle. Just kinda used to it. The stock FC manifold has an angle but then it is a different carb type as well. Hopefully I will not experience the same issue. Time will tell.

AS

car is 1982 fc ex richard gray AZ vd 674 still racing it herein oz on the good setup
had a hell of a time driving it on the grp 1 escort manifold
now running twin 48 idf s BUT goes very well on 44 idf s
goodonya
from the land down under

[rickb99]

IIRC, Doug told me that his alum head with SBC valves and a .500+ lift roller cam with 45's will make a bit over 230 hp and 175 tq.

Lest we forget MK 9 rated for maximum of 150 Lb Ft torque.

REF:
http://www.hewland.com/svga/mk9.html

[Sloanedogon]

I HAVE MADE/ CAST A NUMBER OF THESE AS IN NEW ZEALAND WE RACE UNDER FORMULA LIBRA SO RUN WITH TWIN 44 WEBERS COST IS $550 NZ PLUS COSTS THESE ARE IN STOCK I CAN SEND PHOTOS AS REQUIRED EMAIL sloanedogon@extra.co.nz

[Buc01]

Sloanedogon:

I already have the manifold, but thank you for the reply and the information. I bought one from Burton Power in England.

Aaron

[Buc01]

Well,

Good news and bad news on the hopped up Pinto with twin IDF 44.

Good: I could not believe the power difference! Going down the straights now is more like a time warp..... WOW.

Bad: Ran first session 5 laps just to bed the new brake pads. All was good. Second session, after 5 laps the engine overheated! (YUK) I was watching the gages closely and caught it quick and shut the engine down.

Problem: Turns out the pulley on the water pump spun and walked forward throwing the belt. Thus no water flow and overheat. Really ruined my plans for racing all weekend, but that is racing sometimes.

Can't wait to get back on track with a repaired water pump, new tires, and really start to put that new 200 HP Pinto through its paces.

Aaron

[BeerBudgetRacing]

So, other than carbs what have you done to the engine?

[Buc01]

Well,

Unfortunately it took 5 years to get there (tornado messed up my plans... I live in Oklahoma).

Short list:
5.7lb flywheel
Burton Power KCHT1EK Full Race Camshaft Kit
Cylinder head totally gone thru, ported etc., all new larger valves (sorry, been to long for me to remember size)
ARP Head Stud Kit
Wossner connecting rods 9392D120 (long rod, 92.0 mm bore)
ARP Main Stud Kit
I am sorry, but I don't remember the pistons. They were setup for 12:1 and were machined down to 11.25:1
Carter P4070 Electric Fuel Pump

Sandy and Erik at Quicksilver built it for me. Right now just running stock Bosch distributor with points and Bosch Blue Coil. Have purchased Electromotive HPV1 ignition system. Just have to figure out how to mount it all int he car!

Aaron