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    Excellent stuff from another time.
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    I remember seeing alot of those guys run at Teretonga, New Zealand way back. Great stuff although most are gone now. That was racing.
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    No pit wall, no paved runoff area, no barriers. It would be interesting to put todays F1 drivers all in Lotus 49's on a track like that and see who wins. Some of the younger ones might not be able to find the shift lever!

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    Default Lotus 49/ Cosworth FORD

    Would not do for our friends in F1600 - no wings and treaded tires - they would be writing letters to the SCCA vigorously opposing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Williamson View Post
    ......on a track like that.....
    In its hay day, Zandvoort was the fastest track on the GP circuit. And from this map you can see why! It was also built in the sand dunes so there was always sand blowing across the track during the races.
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    I'm always amazed at how softly sprung the cars were in those days. My vintage FF probably is stiffer than these cars. and how that will change in a few years when the ground effects era comes in.

    I also liked seeing the pit equipment and support vehicles used back then. Most of the vintage groups today have nicer equipment than the 'works' teams had back then and we bitch when we have to pit in a grass area! Pouring fuel out of an open tin jug? They must have had all kinds of debris in the tank!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scorp997 View Post
    I also liked seeing the pit equipment and support vehicles used back then. Most of the vintage groups today have nicer equipment than the 'works' teams had back then..
    Heck, the FACTORIES weren't as well equipped as a lot of our garages.
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    Post Fastest track?

    Zandvoort faster then Spa-Francorchamps? Not bloody likely!


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    Default Fastest track? Part II

    or Monza!!


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    Default 1967 Grands Prix

    fastest laps in mph:

    Zandvoort 106.49 Clark

    Spa 148.85 Gurney

    Monza 145.35 Clark

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    Notice how nearly all of them drifted right to the edge of the pavement on corner exits in the head on shots.

    Except Clark, most of the shots show him leaving a foot or two in "reserve" . And he still caught and beat them all.

    Truly the best ever, IMHO.

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    Wow! Thanks for posting Ralph, reminds me why I fell in love with open wheel racing back in the sixties.
    In absence of mass, instant media back them, we had to wait a few months to read about the results and race report in Road & Track or the top three finishing results would appear in a smal box section of Sports Illustrated - would read those at the dentist or doctors office.

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    No one using seat belts, even Jackie Stewart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy O'Brien View Post
    No one using seat belts, even Jackie Stewart.
    Back then, pretty much everyone believed that it was better to be thrown from the car than remain in it in an accident, in no small part due to the threat of fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Demeter View Post
    Notice how nearly all of them drifted right to the edge of the pavement on corner exits in the head on shots.

    Except Clark, most of the shots show him leaving a foot or two in "reserve" . And he still caught and beat them all.

    Truly the best ever, IMHO.
    That reminds me of racing my Z10 in the '70's against Craig Taylor in his TIGA at Brainerd International Raceway. He was not hitting apexes or using all the road on exit, but was faster than me. Turns out that he had discovered that to optimize grip on the tires we were using on that low-grip surface, one had to set the car up VERY soft in roll. That had the adverse effect of making it imprecise to drive, meaning one had to leave extra room at the track edges so as not to go off course.

    Took me a while to figure that out. Maybe that's what Clark was doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveW View Post
    Back then, pretty much everyone believed that it was better to be thrown from the car than remain in it in an accident, in no small part due to the threat of fire.
    And it is important to remember that the driver of a Lotus 49 was essentially lying in a double walled bathtub full of gasoline...

    ...with no fuel cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by provamo View Post
    fastest laps in mph:

    Zandvoort 106.49 Clark

    Spa 148.85 Gurney

    Monza 145.35 Clark
    Okay, sorry, maybe I was wrong. I seem to recall lap times over 106 MPH?
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    Most excellent! Check out the four wheel drifts at 7:43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy O'Brien View Post
    No one using seat belts, even Jackie Stewart.
    I could be wrong, but I think they are using seat belts - just not shoulder straps that we are accustomed to today - they may or may not have had a sub strap.

    But they looked and sounded like RACE CARS. Not today's insects on steroids with 'power units' that are being short shifted as they compete in the 21st Century's version of the Mobil Economy Run that we are being told is F1 racing.

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    Spec Treated Tyres ? F1 & the Indy 500 lit fires in our souls !

    So many great memories ! Great Video !!!
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    Thx for posting ! So much history !
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