Sprints

[bill gillespie]

Anyone have Q times for FA at the Sprints ?

Thx,
Bill

[Stan Clayton]

No FA times yet, but keep checking here:

http://scca.com/eventitems.aspx?item...nt=16582&hub=1

[bill gillespie]

Thanks, Stan.....is Rennie running ?

Bill

[Stan Clayton]

No. I think we're done for the season...blown gearbox.

[bill gillespie]

Will my sequential shift conversion kit help ?

[Stan Clayton]

No...the case is tore up.

[bill gillespie]

That blows...sorry,,,,,how about a JFR refit ?

Bill

[aspenripper]

so what up with FA results do we have a winner or a fist fight ?

[Mike B]

My guess is that it has to do with the contact between the leaders in T5 on the last or second to last lap, or possibly the blatant blocking for a couple laps that led up to said contact.

A couple cars got together on the front straight which required a black flag all. After the restart with 5 laps to go, Keith Grant was leading with Sedat Yelkin chasing him down. It appeared to me that Grant didn't have anything for Yelkin and resorted to blocking, at least in T5. The second time he did it, Yelkin didn't back off and turned Grant around. Yelkin took the checkered flag first, Grant was around 5th or so.

[Rennie Clayton]

Sounds like a continuation of the Runoffs last year...

[RussMcB]

I see Jeremy Treadway qualified second in some kind of a Swift. How did he fare in the race?

[Rick Ross]

Does anyone know which Swift chassis Treadway was driving? I assume it was a DB4.....

[JByers]

JT was in Mirls 014 and dumped it in the litter in either T1 or T3 on the opening lap.

Rennie, you are right - a continuation from last year (protests and appeals) between Grant & Yelkin

[campbell53]

Treadway went off in t3 on the first lap. 2 Mazdas collided on the front straight and really made a mess (pit folks were diving for cover). That and a huge oil slick in 5 up thru 6 brought us in on a black flag. I was running 6th when I broke an axle accelerating out of 1. I coasted thru 3 and pulled over and watched the last lap from my car. Grant and Sedat were definitely not playing nice. Banging wheels going into 5. I can't say who was most aggressive as both were fighting hard for position (plus I couldn't actually see down the hill to view 5). Plus I'm still sulking over my lost opportunity for a strong finish. Oh well....

[stonebridge20]

JT was in Mirls 014 and dumped it in the litter in either T1 or T3 on the opening lap.

Rennie, you are right - a continuation from last year (protests and appeals) between Grant & Yelkin

Yelkin moved right off T1 to put a block on JT going down the inside so JT went left and as he was going by, Yelkin came across track (again) and hip checked him into the T3 trap.
Being that my engineering duty was done after the FF race and Mirl really doesn't need any help figuring an Atlantic car out, Ray our crew guy and I went and watched the start from T1. It brought back some old memories of when I used to race Yelkin Sr in Atlantics. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

JT and I bailed before the race was over to try and catch a plane that never took off in Milwaukee. Gota love Delta! From a phone report from the track, Security had their hands full "escorting" some unhappy people out the front gate after the dust settled in the stewards shack!

[supersonicus]

[FONT=Verdana]If somebody is known for purposely hip checking people off the track (and constantly attempting too). Why are they still allowed in the club?[/FONT]

[Paul LeCain]

[FONT=Verdana]If somebody is known for purposely hip checking people off the track (and constantly attempting too). Why are they still allowed in the club?[/FONT]

Probably because no one's been killed (yet).

[rickb99]

[FONT=Verdana]If somebody is known for purposely hip checking people off the track (and constantly attempting too). Why are they still allowed in the club?[/FONT]

I don't know how things work back there in the midwest. But out here, turn workers are watching. You get ONE move. If we see you making 2 moves it gets reported to race control. You'll probably get away with one but do it twice and it's almost a for sure

It's all about race control/stewards.

[kala]

I think Paul's comment is perfect, some how we all think a FA is safe and the car can be used to throw wheel to wheel blocks. We are club racers, a win is important but not at putting each other at risk. I grew up racing in the 70's in the UK, if you put some one off on purpose you would loose your privilege. Both of those drivers are very good but neither should be able to get away with this type of behavior.

[bill gillespie]

Anyone know the finishing order of the rest of the field ?

Regards,
Bill

[Tiago Santos]

Sorry, I'm new to this and I don't quite know how it all works, but.. Are these guys making millions out of this? I'd love to win races as much as anyone else, but.. There has to be some sort of limit to what you're willing to do, eh?

[Paul LeCain]

Does anyone know where the results are? Or are the protests/appeals/whatever still going on?

[campbell53]

My understanding is that Sedat was disqualified and Kowalick was moved into 1st. Just what I heard. Can someone verify?

[Tom Maycock]

The results should be posted today or tomorrow. I think they were final as of yesterday, but our T&S chief had a power outage at home and wasn't able to forward the finalized results. We should get them today or tonight and then they will be posted.

They'll probably appear here first:

http://www.scca.com/eventitems.aspx?...nt=16582&hub=1

but should also get posted on www.junesprints.com and Mylaps before too long.

Regards,
Tom Maycock
Chicago Region SCCA

PS. No, I don't know anything about what changed--sorry.

[aspenripper]

Doug
you know Rosie the bulldog right. ? Word from Rosie is Kowalick gets the win. Thats pitdogs final word. You caught my axle bug I hear.
Ed

[Tom Valet]

Results are up on mylaps:

http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1573630

[chazcd1]

Another observation (w/ video back-up): YS was agressive in practice with a dive bomb on me into T13 in practice (on the last lap the of)! Inches...

I wonder if he has a paying job that he goes to on Mon AM with which he puts food on his family's table?

That said, good weekend all around (except in FF for AW).

[glenn cooper]

Another observation (w/ video back-up): YS was agressive in practice with a dive bomb on me into T13 in practice (on the last lap the of)! Inches...

I wonder if they have paying jobs that they go to on Mon AM with which they put food on the family's table?

That said, good weekend all around (except in FF for AW).

And therein perhaps lies the rub...

This kind of behavior reminds me what I started to see in STAR Mazda Series after they adopted the new Pro FM chassis in '04.
MANY very young, very agressive drivers racing on someone else's coin, except in that case there was huge $ on the line.
In SCCA, err, not so much...

[aspenripper]

only thing is most of these guys are not young , so whats the deal.

[Paul LeCain]

only thing is most of these guys are not young , so whats the deal.

Sedat is. He's like 20-21.

Maybe that's not young to you, but it sure is to me.

[stonebridge20]

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[Rennie Clayton]

Another observation (w/ video back-up): YS was agressive in practice with a dive bomb on me into T13 in practice (on the last lap the of)! Inches...

I wonder if he has a paying job that he goes to on Mon AM with which he puts food on his family's table?

That said, good weekend all around (except in FF for AW).

Larry Connor nearly took my front wing off at the 2002 Runoffs in Mid-Ohio with a slide job into the tight lefthander going over the hill after the start straight. On the first lap of practice, no less. I was (and still am) less than impressed with the move, as you can imagine, but I also felt that it came with the territory.

Seems to me that this kind of aggressive behaviour is more endemic to the front end of the grid than it is related to youth, per se. Not terribly surprising though, considering that FA at a national level is mostly stocked with raging type-a personalities. Generally speaking, the closer to the front of the grid you get, the more aggressive the individuals become. Nobody who runs with the kind of intensity needed to be at the front is going to be a wilting flower.

Not to say that people should be bashing on each other, because they shouldn't. However, close calls will happen though when folks are running at 100%. Besides - if all of this had happened in the Spec Racer Ford sessions, they'd all be on the forums talking about how incredibly clean the sessions were!


Cheers,
Rennie

[Steve Demeter]

For those of you who think it is a young person thing, just wait til the first 14 and 15 year olds get into FA.

That said, there are the likes of Cole, Rennie and others who started very young and have shone well and do not have a reputation for doing the things that some young people are assosciated with.

Why is that you ask?

Wilie I do not personally know Cole or Rennie, I bet it has lots to do with how they were raised and a responsibility that they take for their actions instead of doing everything on daddy's dime.

The point is that young drivers are not necessairly bad, jsut some of them are not raised very well.

[RussMcB]

Knowing Jim & Stan, it's amazing Cole & Rennie turned out so well. They must have been raised by amazing moms.

[JByers]

Knowing Jim & Stan, it's amazing Cole & Rennie turned out so well. They must have been raised by amazing moms.

Russ, that is funny but being a dad it's more like "you broke it boy - so you better fix it if you want to race"

[Rennie Clayton]

Russ, that is funny but being a dad it's more like "you broke it boy - so you better fix it if you want to race"

That was the precise deal I was given as a teenager with my first car, but while it was a motivator I'm afraid that the real reason I kept my nose clean on the race track was far more selfish: it was far more important for me to finish ahead of everybody else than it was to exact any kind of revenge. I reasoned that even small bumps might result in a car that was incapable of being driven to the front, so - I try to avoid contact. I wanted to be on the top step of the podium, period, and I had to have the fastest car on the track to be able to do that. So I make a conscious effort to forget about revenge and concentrate on making my way to the front.

The kind of people who would clout you broadside to make their way through the field have a way of creating their own instant karma anyway.


Cheers,
Rennie