Anybody know the history behind this picture?

[adamb113]

I found it and it was just labeled "German Grand Prix".
What Year is it?
Who is it?
What car is it?
Thanks,
Adam

[Jim Gustafson]

Nurburgring, I believe it is '67, and the car/paint scheme suggests a BRM. Drivers were Graham Hill and Jackie Stewart. Could also be a Brabham with Jack/Denny Hulme.

Jim Gustafson
Visual Communications

[Peter Olivola]

Late '60's BRM. Possibly J. Stewart. There are a lot of pix of cars "flying" at the 'Ring from that era.

[JHandley]

What a GREAT pic!!!

[John Nesbitt]

Jackie Steward BRM P261 1966

[DB4 Tim]

It is the Ring ...14.7 miles track they say 187 turns...in fact JS said that...one of the Greatest tracks ever, and probably the most dangerous

[rickjohnson356]

Definitely the 'Ring.

But

not Stewart-- his helmet is white with his tartan band above the eyebrow.

not Hulme-- his helmet is silver with a single longitudinal band and (I believe) a perimeter band in the same color (dark blue?)

An alternate choice for the chassis would be Brabham.

[Rene Gimenez]

Year - 1966
Who - Jackie Stewart
Car - BRM P261 - 2 litre V8

I'm pretty sure the year was 1966 because BRM ran the H16 in 1967.

Couldn't be a Brabham - they had outboard front suspension.

[DanW]

John Surtees

[Joby Graham]

Check the background - looks like a tinop that had rolled was left up against the bank off track on driver's left. As if the track itself wasn't dangerous enough!

[Jim Gustafson]

After further review, Stewart, BRM, '66. John & Rene nail it. The helmet is white and Stewart's signature tartan just can't quite be seen under the goggle strap. The tires in '67 had a lower profile, more like modern race tires, so this is '66.

Jim Gustafson
Visual Communications

[DB4 Tim]

I placed it in a couple of different photo shop and played with it...you just can't get a clear image of his helemet...but you are correct it is wadded up taxi cab on the right...

Check the background - looks like a tinop that had rolled was left up against the bank off track on driver's left. As if the track itself wasn't dangerous enough!

[rickb99]

The greatest race in the history of motorsports took place at Nordischlifer (Nurburgring) in 1957. Fangio in a 3 1/2 hour F1 race. Iron men back then.

What happened:

Much like today's mercenary F1 drivers, Fangio had a knack for spotting the best cars. He bolted Ferrari in 1957 to rejoin Maserati, winning a 5th title with such sublime performances as the German GP at the 187-turn Nürburgring — pictured above — where Fangio lost 56 seconds and the lead in a pit stop, but returned to win by letting loose the most spectacular pursuit of his life, bettering the track record for the 14.2 mile Nordeschlifer ("North Ring") by an amazing 12 seconds on three consecutive laps. Fangio said, "I believe that on that day in 1957 I finally managed to master the Nürburgring, making those leaps in the dark on those curves where I had never before had the courage to push things so far."

The details:

The Lancia-Ferraris of Mike Hawthorn and Peter Collins lead away to begin with, with Fangio trailling them, but by lap three he capitalised on their squabbling to move clear into the lead. He remained there until lap 11, when he sacrificed his 22 second lead to come into the pits to refuel. Nowadays a fumbled pit stop might cost a driver a second or two. Fangio’s mechanics spent 1m 10s wrenching his tyres off and hammering new ones back on, while he chatted with chief mechanic Guerino Bertocchi and team manager Nello Ugolini and sipped a bottle of lemonade.

After bedding in his tyres on his out-lap, Fangio lay 51s behind Hawthorn and Collins. He began an awesome effort to reduce the gap. Afterwards, he spoke of sliding the car into each bend in a higher gear than he ordinarily used, keeping the revs as high as possible and leaping from one corner to the next. In one lap he gained an entire ten seconds on the leading pair. He then set a fastest lap 8.2s faster than his pole time had been.

As they began lap 20 Hawthorn screamed across the line two seconds ahead of Collins, with Fangio now just three seconds away. From the infrequent pit boards Fangio was uncertain whether he was tracking down one Ferrari or two. As they plunged down the Adenau descent he made out two bright red cars ahead of him.
He darted past Collins at the first opportunity, but ran too deep and was quickly relegated back to third again. Wasting no time, Fangio drew back alongisde at the next available straight and brushed Collins aside.

Eager not to give Hawthorn the chance to retaliate as Collins had, Fangio pounced on the leading Ferrari as they navigated a left-right chicane, pinning his rival to the outside of the corner, perilously close to an unguarded ditch. Fangio was through, having overcome a deficit of nearly a minute in eleven laps of the most terrifying circuit ever built.

“I was stretching myself to the limit,” said Fangio afterwards. “Until that race I had never demanded more of myself or the cars. Whenever I shut my eyes it was as if I were in the race again, making those leaps in the dark on those curves where I had never before had the courage to push things so far.”

[dc]

Above photo by Rainier Schlegelmilch, August 7th, 1966: Jackie Stewart, BRM 261 at Brunnchen. Buy one for your garage!


And another angle of Stewart through Brunnchen...



Found this one of Gurney in 1967...



Denny Hulme, Brabham-Repco, 1967

[TimW]

They were just practicing for that 'Fly GTI' ad from the 80s...all part of the German plan...

[DB4 Tim]

Found this one of Gurney in 1967...



Gurney...Eagle a beautiful car ..even now

[TrackBrat]

That shot was either taken at Flugplatz....) or one of the crests in Pflanzgarten, complex. I will have to look closer again. If it is flugplatz it would be a quick right hand turn after this shot.

The Nordschleife is a fantastic place and one of the meccas of racing.

I might as well allow the cursing at me to start now, since I will let you know that I am intended to travel to Europe next summer and the first event I will be at will be the Nurburgring 24 hours. Later to be followed by Le Mans. I will be a marshal for these events if it all goes to plan. You can curse me out now,

Donations for travel and expensies are more then welcomed

[DB4 Tim]

Can't help with donations...however I am great at carrying bags/luggage...I'm house broken and can be ....at times .....very quiet.

[provamo]

it is 2009!....however the photgraphic image was captured in 1966 with Jackie Stewart aboard BRM P261 (2614) on his way to a fifth place finish (assuming this photograph was taken during the race not practice or qualifying)

[Jnovak]

If you have never driven on the Nurburgring you MUST go there. I did about 10 laps there 2 different times & one of those times was in the rain. WOW, one of the MOST amazing experiences of my life & hard work too! I cannot imagine a 3 1/2 hour race & what it must have taken to do it.

Thanks ... Jay Novak

[thomschoon]

If you have never driven on the Nurburgring you MUST go there. I did about 10 laps there 2 different times & one of those times was in the rain. WOW, one of the MOST amazing experiences of my life & hard work too! I cannot imagine a 3 1/2 hour race & what it must have taken to do it.

Thanks ... Jay Novak

The 'ring is a fantastic way to spend a weekend, in 2007 I spent so much time in germany that I bought an annual/unlimited pass, you can drive almost anything on the track and you need to watch out as there will be everything including buses & bikes all at the same time, another fun one is Hockenheim where laps are around 15 euro and you get to do the grand prix course. the two are about 1 1/2 hours apart so you can do them both in a single day. if you do go to the 'ring, take a look at the memorial park those guys had a big pair to ride as a mechanic or driver in the old days that close to the trees at speed.

[Rene Gimenez]

Its pictures like these that remind me that race cars should never have wings! BTW- if anyone has the video "Nine Days in Summer" which is a documentary about the introduction of the Cosworth DFV and Lotus 49, there is a great sequence of F1 and F2 cars jumping the Flugplatz during the 1967 German GP.

[TrackBrat]

Can't help with donations...however I am great at carrying bags/luggage...I'm house broken and can be ....at times .....very quiet.

Sorry I think I am good with bag carrying...I think. Will have my pack from backpacking and prob a spare bag attached to it also not including tent and sleeping gear and what not. I hoping to spend a month between the N24 and Le Mans touring Europe and visiting other tracks and such. It was a trip I wanted to do with my Dad who was also a marshal, he passed away last fall.

I am going to be putting his ashes at the Carousel on the ring, and a few key turns at Le Mans, and like to also do Eau Rouge at Spa, since it is not too far away. Damn F1 moved Monaco a week up so its same weekend as N24 this year. He always wanted to go there. Guess that is ok I am missing it, to marshal Monaco you need to speak fluent French, and I am very very far from being able to do that.

Also hoping to do some UK events since I was invited by some workers that I see at Sebring. Of course going to try to see all the other European locations, and really want to visit Normandy and see the historic locations before the sea takes anymore of it away.

Jay and the others if you have tips for traveling or any tips feel free to let me know, the more info I have the better off I will be.


And I have plenty of space on my gear and backpack for decals and patches for sponsorship

[adamb113]

Thanks
Love the other pics too.

[Dennis Valet]

That's just awesome

[TrackBrat]

Some videos from the Ring in the old days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5hSV...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6aNn...eature=related

[provamo]

trackbrat those were way way way too cool!!!

the best race video i never saw!

and loved the FV camera car chasing the F2

[stonebridge20]

This picture is hanging on the office wall at the Stonebridge world headquarters. It's Denny on his way to winning the 1967 "Suspension Grand Prix" I saw the poster at the Vintage fall festival at LimeRock about ten years ago and had to have it!

[Jon Jeffords]

Donations for travel and expenses are more then welcomed

I can't sponsor your travel, but would like to cover your costs for a Spaten Oktoberfest while you're at the Ring. Are you still on Kedvale Ave?

Jon

PS: My father's ashes are also at a Carousel, that of the northern kettle moraine variety.

[rickb99]

This picture is hanging on the office wall at the Stonebridge world headquarters. It's Denny on his way to winning the 1967 "Suspension Grand Prix" I saw the poster at the Vintage fall festival at LimeRock about ten years ago and had to have it!

Denny had a BAD habit of getting cars oriented in that manor. When he tried it in the McLaren Can-Am's he did ENDO's TWICE!!!