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Ben, I think you and I have talked, but IIRC, this was a "red" car with a late (SC84) tub and early corners (SC80-SC81, bolt-on with four lugs instead of center lock single for the SC83 and SC84).
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No, the last two years, SVRA has run the Indy GP configuration. A simple 5-6 Chicane instead of the 5-6-6a long loop back onto the Hulman Straight.

The RunOffs will run the 5-6-6a long loop. SVRA...

"HF"=Honda/Ford?

I still don't understand "the problem vintage clubs have today." What is the problem? Help me understand what you are trying to say?

I agree, Jerry. The premise of vintage USED to be that it provided a place for people with interesting cars to come out and play, with no premise of guaranteed competitiveness or level playing field....

Chris, I'm trying to understand. What is the problem vintage clubs have today?

The S2 crowd found it very difficult to enforce "period correct" on each of the three classes the S2 group decided to...

I don't know about that.

The "leap in performance" with SCCA Prod was fender flares and tires. By 1972, you had flares and slicks, which was the major reason why the VINTAGE Prod cars all had to...

Ahh, not so much...

It was a hell of a FF/FV/FJ turnout, a fair number of FB's, too. Some big cars, some Atlantics, and a few newer Lights cars. Pretty clean and the weather held off until after the races on Sunday,...

Yep, don't know anyone who has stayed with the Pinto ally head. Everyone went back to cast iron because of problems.

It's such a big check to write to rent the place, they had a pretty good idea that there will be significant support (read:entries) BEFORE they announced this...

Thank you, John. You have a GREAT car and it looks like you're driving it well.

I'm not speaking in any capacity related to SVRA, but I want to answer the three "bold" points.

The fundamental,...

Hmm.

Not aware of any formal protest mechanism for vintage clubs at all.

That would be where there is a formal, written petition by a competitor stating that another competitor is in...

No, not like Club Racing.

Simpler times... ;)

Well, I do understand that "$#!t happens," for sure! BTDT.

It's interesting, this notion of "fault."

I came into historic racing after starting in SCCA Club Racing nearly thirty years ago. At...

VSCDA has a long tradition of excellent Drivers Schools. People are well prepared by the wonderful job the volunteers at VSCDA do.

The idea of "shared responsibility" has been prevalent in...

Agree completely. There is no accident unless someone is trying to pass. Only one can see both cars...

Great post. :thumbsup:

I sent Dee Tony's cell number (public) and email address.

I agree with your original posting, but I don't think the above is true.

First off, there are dozens, no, hundreds of groups running club races, smaller and larger series all over the country.
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Not every vintage and historic racer is Mr. Moneybags... :ha:

The open trailer crowd (well, 20' steel enclosed for me) is alive and well. Some even go to the big "marquee" events. I've seen some...

^^This^^

Worked for many years...

Agreed! Absolutely!

And THIS is the point of ANY hard, spirited and clean racing.

So many folks have a grasp that does NOT EQUAL their reach. :blackflag:

They lunge, they "think" when they...

Hahaha! And you should be! :D

I've had the great pleasure to be the "meat" in a three-wide Production Car sandwich going into the Keyhole AND the Carousel at Mid-Ohio, multiple times, between two...

The "13/13 rule" was originated by Dewey Dellinger over twenty-five years ago to help codify and provide an incentive for vintage and historic racers to THINK about what they were doing on-track,...

Thank you for your kind words!

I don't blame you. Go to the top. You'll find a sympathetic ear. And one that is not afraid to change things.

Speaking on my own, I think there can be a happy medium.

I can race folks like Mike Agnifilo with wheels interlocked and not worry about it. You CAN race hard but clean and fair.

I've been to...

Mark, what AiM unit do you have? Dashes that "freeze" are often because either a power connection or ground is intermittent OR there is a firmware mismatch.

AiM Sports in Roanoke and Lake...

Joe, Stan and I met a LONG time ago in Tarheel Sports Car Club. He even hosted for several years a really cool and really fast Solo II course on his personal test track!

He'll be at VIR and I...

Stan has his set and will try 'em out this weekend at his test track, a local airport. We'll see at VIR?

Stan, I remember those wonderful high-speed autocross's at the airport fondly!

It'll be great to see the Caldwell out again! See you at VIR.

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BB, I think you present that question quite reasonably. I have no answer other than vintage and historic racing participation is up across the board while Club Racing and other contemporary, amateur...

Right, Chris. Doesn't fit into your alternate reality.

As a life member of VRG and member number 12, I'm bona fide.

Peace, out.

Just to refresh my memory (and make sure I DO, in fact, KNOW), the VIR April car counts for the past three years have been:

2013:
9 S2
11 FF/CF

2014:
15 S2
10 FF/CF

Chris, the Fords awoke long ago.

There is good participation across the country and at existing events like VIR in April and the Jefferson in May. I just don't think there is a need for ANOTHER...

Chris, I think you are confused.

We both know how successful Sports 2000 has turned out to be. Forty cars at VIR last September? Dozens of cars at April VIR, the Jefferson 500, Indy and Mid-Ohio?...

It IS vintage-only, Chris! Hence, it's properly categorized.

Tire regs, engine regs and the nebulous "no aero" (what was that extended engine cover bodywork on the Zink supposed to do with the air...

Roberts FC 1:25.5
Walker S2 1:28.3
Moran CFC 1:28.6
Robinson II FF 1:30.0
Kingham CF 1:33

Jay, without knowing the specifics, I can't posit why that might be the case, but as a multi-line dealer and user of these GPS-based systems since 2001, there is certainly a reliable solution.

As...

That is not true... If anything, SCCA (as well as many worldwide organizations) HAVE begun to collect data to make comparisons and have a database of objective measures with which to begin informed...

^^This^^

I just find it surprising that S2 lost it's SCCA class status due to low turnout, yet in the years since, many historic races in the East and Midwest are getting 18-24 cars, on average....

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+1,000!

While there is never any guarantee of parity, David built the auto engined car (ex S2) to the P2 rules, as written.

More performance than a S2 and the full bodied FE (sort of P3+) but...

Two words. Scott Tucker.

That's the trouble with shotgun statements like that.

^^THIS^^

Great post, and you are not alone...

When I started, SCCA was the only game in town. I am proud of the Club's heritage, but that is not enough to offset the fact that there are others...

Agreed, and I have seen even less ESR's out than Sports 2000 cars (towards the end of the latter's National class recognition).

Even more odd is that NOW, there are plenty of Sports 2000 cars...

Vintage S2000 in some parts of the country is terrific. We had close to 40 cars at VIR in September, with a usual turnout at several events each year of between 15-24. Everyone up front gets their...

It's premature to peg where the potential performance is going to be until we know a lot more about who was driving, at what point in the optimization of the chassis and tired that the test car is,...